. >> mark seimone, the obama administration stopped trying or deafing the defense of marriage act awhile ago. a lot of people got their back up over that but they let that go. i want to ask you if you agree. is it the financial ramifications that make this a federal issue or is jimmy write and it's really a civil rights issue? >> i don't know if i'm the one to ask. i don't think i'm even for heterosexual marriage. [ laughter ] >> i'm with mark. >> there's an economic benefit to this. obviously catering halls, wedding photographers, caterers, even divorce lawyers can make a lot of money here. the reason i think there has to be some federal law of ruling here, a marriage license has to be portable. people are going to prove state to state. clearly there are gay couples that need all kinds of protections. hospital visitation rights, civil protections of all kinds. i don't know if you call it the same as marriage but i'm starting to move more in that direction. >> stay put. we've got more work to do. 24 days until our economy falls off the tax and fiscal cliff. just where do we stand on a de